Tippett: And this is about your childhood, right? It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. Youre very young. This is science that invites us to nourish the brains we need, young and old, to live in this world. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. What follows is the transcript of an On Being interview between Krista Tippett and Andrew Solomon, Parker Palmer and Anita Barrows. when Stephen Colbert was doing the earlier show, and he had this one skit where he said, I love breathing, I could do it all day long., And I always think about that because of course, its so ironic that we have to think about our breath. And here was something that was so well crafted and people to this day will say its one of the most expert villanelles ever written its so well crafted, and yet it doesnt actually offer any answers. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. on all sides with want. Limn: Yes. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough red glare and then there are the bombs. Yeah. And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. We literally. the ground and the feast is where I live now. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk about poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. To love harder? Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. And I think its in that category. And I think about that all the time. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. Limn: Yeah. Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. I am a hearth of spiders these days: a nest of trying. And the Sonoma Coast is a really special place in terms of how its been preserved and protected throughout the years. And I think it was that. The Fetzer Institute, supporting a movement of organizations applying spiritual solutions to societys toughest problems. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. Right now we are in a fast river together every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred. adrienne maree brown and others use many words and phrases to describe what she does, and who she is: A student of complexity. When you open the page, theres already silence. Thats the work of poetry in general, right? If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called Complicating the Narratives, which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. Im learning so many different ways to be quiet. of the world is both gaze And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. We point out the stars that make Orion as we take out the collar, constriction of living. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. Jen Bailey, and so many of you. I was actually born at home. Every week, the show hosts thoughtful . I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. At a special TEDPrize@UN, journalist Krista Tippett deconstructs the meaning of compassion through several moving stories, and proposes a new, more attainable definition for the word. 1. A friend, lover, come back to the five-and-dime. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. From the earliest years of his career, he investigated how emotions are coded in the muscles of our faces, and how they serve as moral sensory systems. He was called on as Emojis evolved; he consulted on Pete Docters groundbreaking movie Inside Out. squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover. Tippett: Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. Its a source of a spiritual thoughtfulness that runs through this conversation with Krista. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. For me, I have pain, so Ive moved through the body in pain. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful . Limn: And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. And I think its in that category. But the song didnt mean anything, just a call, to the field, something to get through before, the pummeling of youth. and you forget how to breathe. Kalliopeia Foundation. So Sundays were a different kind of practice, if you will, a different kind of observation. . Krista Tippett is a Peabody-award winning broadcaster, National Humanities Medalist, and New York Times bestselling author. We want to meet what is hard and hurting. by being seen. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. I wonder if Im here again today or in a new place. And that was really essential to my practice of who I was as a creative person in the middle of such an enormous tragedy. And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our Foundations for Being Alive Now. Many of us were having different experiences. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. The Osprey Foundation a catalyst for empowered, healthy, and fulfilled lives. on the back of my dads , and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. hoping our team wins. And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? So you grew up in Sonoma, California, but my sense is that its not the land of Zinfandel and Pinot Noir that immediately comes to mind now when someone says Sonoma. Once, I sang it at homecoming and threw And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. Limn: Yeah. We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in the room retroactively. Flipboard. We live in a world in love with the form of words that is an opinion and the way with words that is an argument. Tippett: And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of On Being, its woven through everything. Tippett: Look at all these people. Limn: Yeah, I had a moment where I hadnt realized how delighted I was to go about my world without my body. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. Krista Tippett founded and leads "The On Being Project," hosts the globally esteemed On Being public radio show and podcast, and curates the "Civil Conversat. we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. And I was feeling very isolated. Im like, Yes. And sometimes when youre going through it, you can kind of see the mono-crop of vineyards that its become. Tippett: It also says something about this time. This poem is featured in Ada's On Being conversation with Krista, "To Be Made Whole.". And we all have this, our childhood stories. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. And the one Id love you to read is Not the Saddest Thing in the World. This is the one where I felt like theres subtlety to it, but you just named so much in there. Yeah. Tippett: And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. its like staring into an original We honor poets and poetry as necessary companions in mustering words spacious and generous enough to reach across the mystery of ourselves and the mystery of each other. Yeah. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. I think I enjoy getting older. Which makes me laugh, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. Yeah. body. Would you read this poem, The End of Poetry, which I feel speaks to that a bit. Thats page 95. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. Okay. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we've only begun to process and fathom. To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. Limn: Yeah. Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. And this, it turns out, is also a primary source of his tethering in values. I love it that youre already thinking that. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. Before the koi were all eaten I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. And place is always place. should write, huge and round and awful. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? Harley at seven years old. A friend (Unedited) The Dalai Lama, Jonathan Sacks, Katharine Jefferts Schori, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr with Krista Tippett. What was it? Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg, my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. Before the road We elevate voices of wisdom and models of wise thinking, speaking, and living. Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. and desperate, enough of the brutal and the border, enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. Tippett: So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. Tippett: You see what I did? The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. wind? I write the year, seems like a year you Limn: I do think I enjoy it. reading skills. with their fish tanks or eight-tracks or And then you go, Oh no, no, thats just recycling. So thats in the poem. Find Krista Tippett's email address, contact information, LinkedIn, Twitter, other social media and more. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Tippett: And that is so much more present with us all the time. Easy light storms in through the window, soft, edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels, nest rigged high in the maple. days a little hazy with fever and waiting Many have turned to David Whyte for his gorgeous, life-giving poetry and his wisdom at the interplay of theology, psychology, and leadership his insistence on the power of a beautiful question and of everyday words amidst the drama of work as well as the drama of life. And I think most poets are drawn to that because it feels like what were always trying to do is say something that cant always entirely be said, even in the poem, even in the completed poem. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. and desperate, enough of the brutal and the border, Before I bury him, I snap a photo and beg Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. Limn: When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. I mean, thats how we read. But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, Enough of us across all of our differences see that we have a world to remake. but I was loved each place. And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing.. "Beauty isn't all about just nice loveliness, like," O'Donohue tells Tippett. Precisely at a moment like this, of vast aching open questions and very few answers we can agree on, our questions themselves become powerful tools for living and growing. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. Tippett: Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. Yeah. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. On Being with Krista Tippett On Being Studios Society & Culture 4.6 9.1K Ratings; A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. Tippett: You hosted this, The Slowdown podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. to pick with whoever is in charge. So I think there was a lot of, not only was it music, but then it was music in Spanish. Yeah. To be swallowed I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. Page 40. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or, reading skills. It is still the river. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. Tippett: Would you read this poem, The End of Poetry, which I feel speaks to that a bit. [2] Her guests include the 14th Dalai Lama, Maya Angelou, Mohammed Fairouz, Desmond Tutu, Thich Nhat Hanh, Rosanne Cash, Wangari Maathai, Yo-Yo Ma, Paulo Coehlo . And it says, You are here. And I felt like every day Id write a poem was literally putting that little, You are here dot on a map. And so I gave up on it. Her six books of poetry include, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her book. to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward Theres how I stand in the lawn, thats one way. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. I just saw her. Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. Ive got a bone. One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. to the field, something to get through before [audience laughs] And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. Its repeating words. Where being at ease is not okay. the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left Yeah. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. All year, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. Image by Danyang Ma, All Rights Reserved. Learn more at kalliopeia.org. And one of them this is also on The Hurting Kind is Lover, which is page 77. Lean Spirituality. What were talking about and not when we talk about mental health. Before the ceramics in the garbage. Its wonderful. the pummeling of youth. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. All right. How to make that more vibrant, more visible, and more defining? And poetry, and poetry. Yeah, it was completely unnatural. An accomplished journalist, author, and entrepreneur, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2014. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam, podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. Silence, which we dont get enough of. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you.. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. Yeah. 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