"It does not!" Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. Laird Scranton makes it clear that he ruled out this possibility in this interview. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. This sounds significant and convincing until one measures the distance on a map and discovers an "immensely accurate equality" of a twenty percent difference! Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Based on Carrolls website (skepdic.com), the Dictionary is the definitive short-answer debunking of nearly every thing skeptical. var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + "
" + t); Want to know your future? Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. I disagree. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. The stars in this group are too young only a few tens of millions of years for planets with life and civilization to have developed. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other Cook some soul food. I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Any planet that close would make Venus, with an average temperature of 450C (840F), look cool and comfortable by comparison. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. Sirius So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. Paranormal, ed. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. It's fascinating. The Dogon have a WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Most important, no one, even within the circle (Photo by John and Keturah. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) Sagan, Carl. "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. Cuddle up with someone. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted "Perhaps (Oberg) is unaware," Temple went on, "that the differential curvature of the earth variously distorts distances shown on maps. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. Even if you allow for a much higher biological mutation rate on any Sirian planet compared to the Earth, it still isnt enough time. Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from She claimed an alien starship commander had originally shown it to her. Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), Ancient (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. Review. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). mystery resurfaces. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. When I set him a draft of a sharply critical review written for Astronomy magazine, he replied with a blistering counterattack in a letter to my editor: "A virulent attack against my honesty, integrity, and intelligence," he called my review. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. But was anything left out? Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." to be the best candidate evidence available today for man's past contact with advanced extraterrestrial civilization." "Robert Temple on three different occasions, by mail and phone, attempted to get support from me and I steadfastly refused," Asimov wrote. his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Temples response to criticism has so far been evasive. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight van Beek, Walter E. A. In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaules claims even more spectacular and accurate. Did Oberg? Moon is traveling through Cancer today. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. mystery resurfaces." If a European The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. The Dogon. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. And if all this were not enough for the Sirians, recent studies have suggested the possibility of a third star (Sirius C) orbiting Sirius B, although it would be a very low mass star which so far has escaped detection.5 Stable planetary orbits may be very hard to find in the Sirian system. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. African thought. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)[email protected]|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." space. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. What about Sirius? Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Though Temples work was challenged, at its core lay the original anthropological study of the Dogon by Griaule and Dieterlen, who describe the secret knowledge of Sirius B and Sirius C in their own book The Pale Fox. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. Sirius. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. They seem to have (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." Beware of mood swings. The Dogon. We need more reliable evidence -- especially theories that can be tested. (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) stream If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Also it would take a very good set of lenses to see Sirius B, which has an apparent magnitude of 8.44 and a separation from Sirius A of 10 arcseconds (0.3% of a 1 angle) under the best conditions. Knowledge of the stars is not important Inevitably one must ask, if the Dogons had heard good stories about Sirius from other sources, would they ignore them or would they quickly adopt them into their own cultural myths? The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) But didn't Isaac Asimov check over the book for just such factual errors, as the publisher claims? Carl Sagan's contribution to this discussion was in his book Broca's Brain (1979). At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. 1978. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). You guessed it -- Sirius! Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. of earth and transmitted in conversation. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . That in itself is extraordinary.". (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! Griaule," Current Anthropology 32, 1992, pp. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. (2004). As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. 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